I discovered that the Catholic Church has stayed with the successor to the apostle Peter, which was one of the major deciding factors for me. In the final verses of Matthew, Jesus issues the Great Commission: And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. The Catholic doctrine is that the words of institution alone are sufficient to consecrate the eucharist. We see you dogmatizing and justifying your own prelest. He can answer for himself, but it seemed clear to me that he meant that they *also* went to areas that had not been colonized by Catholic countries. Many Catholic practices drew me to the West as well, perhaps again because they felt more systematic or programmatic than what I witnessed in Orthodoxy. From his poetry you can tell that he loved her dearly, but he was a "Kept Man" as it was who was not let out of her sight. Moscow sees the OCA as autocephalous, but everyone else sees the OCA as under Moscow. Lewis's case (see his spiritual autobiography book Surprised by Joy and the EWTN article on The Conversion Story of C.S. Since St. Francis wrote a new rule of life for his friars, he must have not been truly rooted with the patristic tradition and he was actually just prideful. Some Orthodox go even further. Your phrase it would be easier to draw conclusions eliminates the possibilities of questions. Enjoy your Pachamana paganism. In Acts Peters leadership is the focus on the first third of the book before it shifts to Pauls mission. Actually, Pope Saint Paul VI said that the Ordinary Magisterium was used when promulgating the documents of Vatican II. The Romans have therefore been accused of things of which it is wrong to accuse them, whereas of the things of which the Byzantines have quite rightly been accused [monothelitism], they have, to date, made no self-defense, because neither have they gotten rid of the things introduced by them (Letter to Marinus). I think during the final stage 3 where Chesterton likens truth as a "magnet, with the powers of attraction and repulsion", he was done with the discovery process (stage 2), having no more intellectual objections, but the primary concern was to address the "repulsion" consisting primarily of his delicacies of feelings to Frances to whom he felt a tremendous debt of gratitude for having shown him a living witness of being a genuine Anglo-Catholic Christian in contrast to developments within the Church of England at the time which he disliked. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.. This is why the Eastern Orthodox Churches tend to be more nationalists. On the other hand, he makes a strong, well-researched case for the defects of schismatic Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy, which ironically have compromised the ancient Catholic and Orthodox Faith in ways similar to Protestantism. [Jesus] conferred upon Simon Bar-Jonah the title Peter, and promised that he would build his church upon him. This synthesis of Palamas and Scotus is also not a modern product. It might be said that Anglo-Catholicism was simply my own uncompleted conversion to Catholicism. Latinization was also usually self-imposed in order to prove their unity to Rome and to differentiate themselves from the Orthodox. One is not free to dissent from the 2nd Vatican Council. () For the ancient custom prevailed in regard to such, that they should receive only the laying on of hands with prayers. Pope Gregory condemned this intention, and wrote to John the Faster telling him that he had no right to claim to be universal bishop or sole bishop in his Patriarchate. The same accusation could be given to Paul (more on this later if you replied). I can't thank those of you who support me enough. Rome has Apostolic Succession through both the Apostles Peter and Paul. St. Gregory responded by arguing that there is a distinction in the Fathers between Gods unknowable essence and his operations. His own 1926 book The Catholic Church and Conversion (pdf copy here), especially about the 3 stages in "Chapter III : The Real Obstacles", quoted by Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong blog article Catholic Conversion: Classic Analyses (Chesterton, Belloc, Pelikan). Still, since the Orthodox churches are considered part of the true Church, I felt I could easily go over to that side. It only takes a minute to sign up. The problem you forgot regarding missionary work is that while the West had the resources to do missionary work, the East for most of its time had to deal with the Ottoman Empire. However what I find problematic is that you based the dogmas you believe in, on an apparition even though Saint Paul said clearly that even if an angel would preach a different Gospel, we shouldnt follow him (the angel). Does this mean that those two religions are true? Consecrating a bastion of Orthodoxy to a heretical worship makes it clear that this spirit is devilish. Mass makes me desperately miss Orthodox liturgy. All this discussion of original sin vs ancestral sin I find like a discussion about how you pronounce tomato. This section you wrote on Original Sin isnt needed to be honest. Everyone has quirks. A lot of these lies come from Lev Gillet who was quit dishonest in his quote mining.. It is not allowed. Point. I can point you to Orthodox theologians who do say these things I heard many of these things myself from priests. the Uniates . Is the Catholic Magesterium in favor of hard liquor prohibition? The synod never declared anything as binding. Are both Christ and Peter the foundation? It is a fact that they have the premisesbut you have the apostolic Faith. Ultimately he felt that it was not, partly at least because it did not speak authoritatively. Of course, many thoroughgoing Westerners today identify instead with Eastern Orthodoxy, so I must elaborate. He took secret with him when he died. 12:1-32). There are prophesies that the Church of Rome would break away for the true faith dating back to early 300s from a Saint who was killed in Rome. May God grant. A few people have asked me why I chose the Catholic Church over the Orthodox Church (or churches, since there are several autocephalous and autonomous Orthodox churches based on region such as Russia, Greece, Antioch, etc.). What an excellent article by a true pilgrim led by the Holy Spirit to discover and embrace the full truth of Catholic Christian Orthodoxy. This is essentially a way to avoid the fact that these Orthodox sacramental rigorists would have to think that there are large numbers of lay people running around the Church thinking they are clergy. It has a miracle connected with it that was witnessed by thousands of people, many of whom were atheists who came to the event specifically to refute what the children were saying. For despite real differences, when compared with the wider culture, Orthodoxy and Catholicism share much in common, both offering our lost world an order of life and worship. Even after the schism, many great Orthodox theologians such as St. Gregory Palamas, Mark of Ephesus, and Dimitry of Rostov. Have you ever encountered this thing called the internet? Note that trinitarian baptism is not the standard used by the council Arians, who explicitly denied the trinity, were received by Chrismation alone. Saint Malachy said prophesies of 112 Popes and Pope Francis is the last Pope before Rome is Destroyed. Other Orthodox Churches will insist this priest be baptized again. The use of semitisms such as gates of Hades, flesh and blood, bind and loose, and semitic parallelism again indicates an Aramaic environment. John the Faster, the bishop of Constantinople, had claimed the title of Universal Bishop for himself, which caused Pope (!!) The first major group of these is the Maronites. This dispute over whether it is the sole prerogative of Constantinople to give autocephaly is the cause of the current schism in Ukraine. However, I think this is a fair objection which I myself used to use frequently. It is nonsense. Why are you so mad and angry? There is no reason for a Catholic to not submit to even Ordinary Magisterium; you are implying that one is free not to submit to an Ecumenical Council even if it was not an Extraordinary act of the Magisterium (Ex Cathedra), its UOMUNIVERSAL episcopal consensus IN UNION WITH THE POPE taught to the UNIVERSAL CHURCH which is supposed to be INFALLIBLE. Sell your publications commission-free as single issues or ongoing subscriptions. What about st Gabriel of Georgia, st Nicholas of Japan, st Stephen of Perm and many others? Here you'll find an answer to your question. A 2002 short paper G.K. Chesterton: The Theology of Philip Yancey's Favorite Writer from the Journal of the GRACE Evangelical Society surveying Chesterton's theology and in particular Chesterton's view of Protestant soteriology (and the dearth of references in his voluminous writings about saving faith) which may have contributed to his conversion to Rome. There are a number of things wrong with this essay, but I am not here to argue (I can always write a response) but to remind you that sometimes it seems like the logical solution is the right one. Even in his younger days Chesterton had been interested in paradox, in things being opposite to common perception. The insertion of the filioque did NOT change the faith, as Gideon pointed out by the words of other saints and theologians, both from East and West, so this insertion to combat heresy follows the second Eucumenical Council which in 381 added to the original 325 a.D. creed in order to combat heresy, and does not violate canon 7 of the third. We are all just supposed to roll with what we are told and not argue. First, what is the source for that? St. Maximus was the greatest Byzantine theologian of his day, giving up his own hand and tongue for refusing to commune with heretical bishops. 16:16), for the latter heard the Lords Truth and was called upon to accept it, yet refused, thereby inheriting the damnation of those who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness (II Thes. But them that are without God judgeth (1 Cor. Also I dont doubt something actually happened at Fatima but that it was demonic in nature. The pope himself stated it is pastoral. We had all been pondering the validity of Protestant sacraments. St. Augustine is also a Saint of the Church and his position as one is only disrupted by modernist heretics. His purpose is to masquerade as an angel of light as we are warned in the New Testament, and appear unto poorly catechised people as if he were doing good, thus fooling people he us the good one, he is sent by God, he is not the devil. Basil mean when he says the fornicating man is pardoned? For the sake of brevity, I will cite only Canon VII of the 2nd Ecumenical council, which reads: Those who from heresy turn to orthodoxy, and to the portion of those who are being saved, we receive according to the following method and custom: Arians, and Macedonians, and Sabbatians, and Novatians, who call themselves Cathari or Aristori, and Quarto-decimans or Tetradites, and Apollinarians, we receive, upon their giving a written renunciation [of their errors] and anathematize every heresy which is not in accordance with the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God. In addition, for the past five years, Antioch and Jerusalem have not been in communion. My decision came as a surprise to some, though those who knew me well saw my confirmation as the culmination of years of deliberation. And then theres Hesychasm, dividing the Godhead. The liturgical abuse you mention seems to be a problem in some parishes. I considered myself an atheist for as long as I can remember. YOU WILL BE JUDGED AND MAYBE QUESTIONED ON YOUR THOUGHTS OF WHAT YOU READ ON THIS PAGE, SO THINK WELL BEFORE JUDGING OTHERS. St. This theological heresy is quite new in Orthodoxy, having been invented by Fr. The Western practice is actually a historical accident. This is not an Russophobic nor Ukrainophobic statement. you are everywhere! Through the Pope in Rome spreads worldwide. Hahn explains why it would ha. However, 2 Lyons and Florence deny this and instead teach a single procession of the Spirit from the Father through the Son. Vatican II is not simply misinterpretted, but clearly teaches heresies, and is an atheist making machine. 6 Reasons Why Traditional Catholics Should NOT Become Orthodox While one can argue that the form of baptism was still correct while it lacked grace, the same cannot be done with ordination. Congratulations and prayers from a Spaniard and fellow-Catholic! Like the Protestants they have now departed from the ancient teaching and practice. But Stephen considering it unnecessary to add any innovation contrary to the tradition which had been held from the beginning, was very indignant at this. 1. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever things you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, they shall be loosed also in heaven. And again He says to him after His resurrection: Feed my sheep. On him He builds the Church, and to him He gives the command to feed the sheep; and although He assigns a like power to all the Apostles, yet He founded a single chair, and He established by His own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. The supreme authority of Peter is perpetuated in the Popes; but the power and authority of the other Apostles is perpetuated in the other bishops in the true sense of the word. Wether eastern (byzantine) or western (Latin) or any rite of the same Catholic church. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Also all the great missionaries of the first thousand years werent papists but Orthodox Obviously you arent orthodox. We come to see the essence of God as it really is. And how years down the road it affected the church. The famous Orthodox saint Ignatius Brianchaninov, as well as the widely venerated Fr. Will it be worth it? It may be something genuine, it may be something demonic. At Nicea a proposed law was to forbid all bishops, priests and deacons, who were married at the time of their ordination, to continue to live with their wives. The Catholic Church affirms all that is good in Christian tradition. Why are so many Orthodox so angry and prideful and arrogant online?? 5. The Orthodox reject at least in practice the life demonstrated in the book of Acts and in first and second Corinthians, and have relegated miracles only to icons and relics. The Eastern Orthodox Church, also called the Orthodox Church and officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, is the second-largest Christian church, with approximately 220 million baptized members. I realized that the Church will resurge from the ashes and enter a new glorious era. None of these change concern dogma and are just liturgical practice, so they can still be reversed. Another danger is converting to Orthodoxy simply because it is beautiful. How could the Mother of God promote a false faith? The question: Can the heterodox, i.e. When one accepts the adultery position, one is force into the odd position of nullifying a sacrament on the basis of sin. 1922 was when GKC converted to Catholicism and Frances converted 4 years later. This is in the context of St. John defending the ultimate monarchy of the Father. So I believe it was either the Mother of God or the devil. This is problematic on a number of levels. At St. Petersburg and at Moscow he was told that he had only to abjure the errors of Protestantism before a priest, who would thereupon administer to him the sacrament of Holy Chrism or Confirmation. While at first it seemed obvious that the Orthodox Church was right, the more I studied, the more I realized I was missing a lot of nuance. The Orthodox priest than slanders the Catholic Church by claiming that the events at Fatima were deformed and misinterpreted the events for political reasons. The Holiness of Western Saints Catholics got off the bus in the Middle Ages in western Europe. Hoping for your return to Orthodoxy. I had been told by my fellow Orthodox Christians that Fatima was at best a hoax and at worst demonic, so I decided to investigate Fatima for myself. For one, St. Francis rule is 95% in line with tradition. For example, to claim that it is heretical is arguably going too far, since that would make recent Popes heretics for endorsing it; but, to claim that it was a natural phenomenon, or an attack of mass insanity, seems like a permissible negative viewpoint for a Catholic to hold that would make papal endorsement of it fallible, but Popes are not infallible when they approve apparitions. No one could solve his dilemma, and so he became a Roman Catholic. You made a mistake. And I know a Jesuit missionary who has spent years laboring there, bringing the Gospel to the people. He shows from the Fathers that the Spirit proceeds from the Father in order to rest in the Son. You managed to hit the nail upon the top and defined out the whole thing without having side effect , people can take a signal. He was opposed by the local bishop, John Ireland, who refused to let him serve. This view is essentially just a renewal of the heresy of Donatism. May God illumine you that you see the depths of error in which you now dwell and return to the Ark of salvation in repentance you have in your blindness and ignorance forsaken. Is a private revelation even if its approved really a a good reason to convert? By the way, I appreciate your comment to me re. The testimony I hear from some going into Orthodoxy is simple I used to have all these things but it stopped at Chrismation.. For instance, there are Orthodox theologians who correctly say that Ancestral Sin and Original Sin are the same. p. 65), for the Patriarch Photius, as for the later Byzantine theologians, the polemical argument artificially opposing Peter to his confession did not exist. I decided to officially become Orthodox and visited at least 25 churches in my city to see what they were like. Your email address will not be published. With regard to his question about the miracle of the sun, he asked: Mass hallucination? That is *exactly* what Calvinists say when someone leaves Calvinism. The Holy Spirit wont fall asleep because Christ says the gates of hell will not prevail against it. He is the only one to explicitly receive the keys. oh Yes their messiah they want will give them what they want but then betray them at their death bed. I only find the following (from an Orthordox source): Possible contributing reason: from Christianity Today's Christian History article on G.K. Chesterton: In 1922 Chesterton left Canterbury for Rome.

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